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Controlled Parking Zone - Proposals for B1 area (Grange)
FPRESPostApril 25, 2021, 17:26
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I too have concerns about these planned changes and believe they will have a negative impact on residents and the neighbourhood. I'm particularly concerned about the loss of parking flexibility on our courtesy line, flexibility for visitors and tradespeople, and increases in cost of parking permits. The latter of which should be more transparent as the council will otherwise be free to charge a lot more once this scheme is rolled out.

I am also concerned that this argument of the area being a "dumping ground for abandoned vans" is used as "evidence" to support a scheme that will impact residents who do not feel this way. I wouldn't want abandoned vans on my street either but where this really is an issue, restricted parking hours would be a much easier and less restrictive/ costly solution. Why this all or nothing approach?

One other point to note is the amount of clutter this will bring, including permanent unsightly fixtures.

Lastly, the reduction of parking flexibility and the increased cost will harm local businesses that rely on having parking readily available for their customers. This is particularly true around Ratcliffe Terrace/ Causewayside.

LesleyPostApril 25, 2021, 19:41
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So....those of us who are plagued by commuter parking and abandoned vans ie. Oswald Road , South Oswald Road , Grange Terrace , St Thomas Road (these are only the immediate ones to my home) are to be sacrificed for the benefit of a handful of (lucrative) local businesses?

My family has used Brakesafe for over 30 years and wouldn’t dream of going elsewhere.
But frankly , the additional cost of even a whole a day’s metered parking there (in relation to their servicing costs) would be infinitesimal!

Same goes for the Avenue Stores.

These same arguments held sway 10/12 years ago during the last ‘consultation’.
That sham was hi-jacked by the commercial interests (and people outside the area) and left a very bad taste.

Just for once , could we please accept that many streets in south Grange have a real problem?
And that GAs role should be to protect the amenity of the whole of the Grange - as stated in its Constitution.
And support from the many other members who are already lucky enough to enjoy CPZ protection would be very welcome.

membershipPostApril 26, 2021, 10:30
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SG and Lesley .. for clarity and without prejudice, there are currently 468 separate memberships - many are household ones ... and just over 300 user ids of the forum.

People can register for the forum without being a GA member, and many of that 300 do not post - which is fine.

tommyboy2PostApril 28, 2021, 19:35
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I welcome the proposals to extend the CPZ to the B1 area. This will stop the uncontrolled access by the public through the week, at the small relative cost of a permit (visitor or resident) for vehicles in residents' vicinity. Entitlement to street location no longer applies, as is the case in many city areas.

LesleyPostApril 28, 2021, 19:59
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FPRES - and others
I would be very happy to walk around the Oswald Road/South Oswald Road/St Thomas Road/Grange Terrace any week day , to show you what happens here.

On Monday 26th - first day after lockdown - there was not a single free space in any of those streets at 9.30am.
I sent photos to the Chair , which he may be prepared to send on to you?

The van owners know to arrive on Sunday evenings when the streets are empty - free parking areas are advertised on the internet so they know exactly where to come.
Commuters know to turn up early on weekdays to bag the extensive free slots.

B1 slots are full either side of the 90-minute restricted time , and there is no option to pay for parking.

I came home at 5 tonight to find the whole B1 bay outside my home filled by a very large Midlothian Council van (which usually stays here for several days at a time) and 2 carer cars - only one of which is attending my building.

In my building we currently pay over 4K per flat for council tax.
We don’t have enough inside parking for visitors and contractors so we have to pay an additional fee for use of the very small (3-car) B1 bay outside.

I’d much rather pay £100 for full CPZ protection , to know that ;
. I won’t come out of my drive to find large vans parked right up on both sides , making safe exit impossible
. My visitors and tradesmen can park here , either with a very cheap visitor permit - currently £1 - or by metered parking
. Freeloading commuters , with their carbon menace and rubbish , won’t be able to fill these streets

The Grange is the oldest conservation area in this city and deserves protection from this ugly blight.
The council Reps at the consultation were very clear that the proposals could be tweaked to deal with minor issues like parking for the Avenue Stores and Brakesafe.
We no longer have the sick kids hospital so there is no need for 9-hour parking.

So PLEASE - no more ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude.
The worst that can happen is that you will pay £100 a year.
Are you seriously going to let south Grange be a big dirty carpark instead?

I don’t know ANY owner in the S1 zone who would willingly revert to B1 status!

SGPostApril 28, 2021, 22:45
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I would be very happy to walk around the Oswald Road/South Oswald Road/St Thomas Road/Grange Terrace any week day , to show you what happens here.

I live nearby and walked around today. The 'abandoned vans' were mentioned couple time. I found 3 in this category, plus several tradesmen vans, who were visibly there for works in the house there.
Then, I walked in S1 zone, and found over 200 of unused 'permit holder' bays and about 100 of 'pay and display' bays. Streets like Whitehouse Loan, Hope Terrace, Blackford Road, Dick Place, Lauder Road, have about 50 unused 'permit holder' bays at any time. The residents have driveways and garages and do not use the bays, and do not pay for the scheme. They also can park in B1 for free. Many of 'pay and display bays' in S1 are not suitable for long term parking and there is no demand for short term parking. The expensive and unused 'pay and display' machines are paid for by the taxpayer.
So, it would not be exaggeration to say that S1 has over 300 unused bay at any time. That means that there is plenty of space there to take those cars and vans from B1 which are perceived as a problem. The most logical option would be to remove some unnecessary and expensive bays in S1 and make them free parking spaces to ease the parking pressure in S1. Those are the space no one ever needs today. No one can claim them as private as the roads are in public use.
Merging S1 and B1 would work best as well. These solutions would not only be less expensive, that would bring money back to the public purse, as some parking machines can be used elsewhere.
Yet, the option proposed by the council is to spend more public money, make the locals pay more too, damage the businesses, and push the cars south of the railway. Why support this ill-thought out proposal?

Also, if your dream is to get rid of all cars, how do you see Edinburgh of the future? A dead, forbidden city with no shops and cafes, schools which cannot hire a teacher? You get an idea what can happen if parking is made too hard.

LesleyPostApril 30, 2021, 08:01
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300 unused bays.
Now that WOULD be my dream for south Grange!
We could once again see the beautiful walls , trees and buildings which earned this area its Conservation status.
Bring it on!

SGPostApril 30, 2021, 09:59
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Lesley, are you suggesting that you should keep your own car on your driveway, while the cars of everybody else should be removed from the public street?

LesleyPostApril 30, 2021, 18:56
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I think you should read what I am saying , not put words in my mouth.

(I’m sure this is becoming tedious for other readers so I’m signing off now)

kerstinPostMay 4, 2021, 18:02
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Yes, the city must be allowed to thrive but why does a commuter need to jump on a bus in the Grange when they can jump on a bus at Shawfair?

RobertPostMay 5, 2021, 22:10
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Very much in favour of discouraging camper vans ('responsible' or otherwise)and commuters.

I know of two housebound residents who can no longer look out to the gardens opposite as their views are almost permanently blocked by a camper van owner who reckons they have 'no right to a view'.

Commuters are already served by 'park and ride' and have no need to park and ride where residents struggle to find spaces.The city is more likely to die if people move out of it because they can't park outside their homes. Commuters have options - residents don't.

Business that supports the community like the Avenue Store, the Post Office and Brakesafe need parking not least for elderly and disabled but there is a builder on Blackford Ave who is just storing vans in the surrounding streets instead of paying for appropriate premises.

I hope the association will support change.

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The Grange Association Committee met on 17 May and considered the proposal for a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) in the B1 area. Taking account of:

the Committee decided not to support or to oppose the principle of a CPZ for the B1 area. Rather, the Committee encourages all members to participate in the current engagement by CEC to ensure all views are represented. The Association will wish to work with members and other residents, CEC, the Community Council and other stakeholders, once the engagement has concluded, to tailor the resulting proposals in line with the Association’s objectives and the interests of its members.

You can record your general views on the proposals on the Council’s general survey form (which includes an option to leave a comment up to 255 characters) and any specific comments on the detailed proposals for the B1 area on the interactive map which lets you drop a pin on a specific proposed parking bay or yellow line to leave a comment or suggestion (up to 255 characters).

The engagement closes on 30 May 2021.

BradleyPostMay 19, 2021, 11:09
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The huge proposed jump in Parking Zone charges aligned with all the road changes (which as a cyclist I can say are not creating safe cycle routes) are the ludicrous ways our City Council works. Spending on daft road closures and barriers whilst taxing easy targets.

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