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Controlled Parking Zone - Proposals for B1 area (Grange)
PlanningPostApril 19, 2021, 13:15
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Most residents in the southern half of the Grange will have received this leaflet explaining that the Council is looking at measures to address parking pressures in this area. As part of early engagement, it wants to know what difficulties you experience with parking in the area, as well as your views on what is being proposed. Feedback from this engagement will inform its decision making and designs. Amendments, where possible, will be made to reflect these comments.

The consultation web page explains the process and includes a detailed map of the proposals.

Virtual meetings will be held over Microsoft Teams on the following dates and times:

  • Monday 26th April at 1pm
  • Wednesday 28th April at 6pm

You will need to register for a ticket via Eventbrite for either of these events.

The proposals would essentially turn the B1 zone into an area similar that to the north in the S1 zone, where there is no uncontrolled parking during the controlled hours. All parking during those periods would require a permit or a payment ("pay-and-display"). This would discourage the long-term parking of vehicles by non-residents. Visitor permits would be available for residents and regular traders can apply for a Trades Permit.

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The Grange Association will be represented at the virtual meeting on 26 April. To enable us to judge the balance of views of our members and other residents in the Grange, please post your comments below on this thread.

LesleyPostApril 19, 2021, 15:19
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This is fabulous news and the changes can’t come quickly enough.
South Grange has become a big (dirty) carpark and a dumping ground for abandoned vans.

Please support the proposals.

sjn1702PostApril 19, 2021, 21:25
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My concern is that some of these changes are too broadly applied and not enough thought has been given to how parking is used in different streets. On a personal level I am worried about the proposed changes to courtesy lines (which would be changed to single yellow lines). My husband works on call and often parks his car on the courtesy line – do the proposed yellow lines mean he can no longer park there?

Similarly, several of our neighbours are using the courtesy line to park their family’s second car, which they would otherwise have to park elsewhere on the street (taking away parking spots for other residents on the street). I appreciate the need to address parking pressures but this seems to have the potential to have the opposite effect on some streets.

Neil DPostApril 20, 2021, 11:20
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We entirely agree with this long overdue proposal for B1 area parking. The pressure on parking spaces is simply too great and the result is that parking over sight lines has become accepted behaviour - a dangerous development.

SGPostApril 20, 2021, 12:48
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There is no description of the proposed changes, and the interactive map does not show what the proposed changes are either. At the first glance, the map shows the parking bays as they are now. I have not found anything new so far.
Can anyone clarify what the proposal actually is?

pmscott6135PostApril 20, 2021, 13:14
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The Council state that the reason for considering changes was requests from residents to improve parking conditions for them in the area. Residents’ well-being should be the overriding basis of any proposals.

However, the proposals which the Council now make are in fact detrimental to residents. At present residents can park anywhere, either by purchasing a moderately -priced permit or by parking in the non-restricted parts of the streets. The proposals mean that residents would have to buy a much more expensive permit and also share residents’ spaces with non-residents, who would be able to pay for parking in residents’ spaces. It is also not clear from the proposals how many spaces would be “residents-only”. The proposals state “Parking will mainly consist of either permit holder parking or shared-use parking....”. What does “either” mean? Does it mean a mixture of both, or does it mean it will be one of the other? If a mixture, what proportion will be residents-only?

The proposals will affect residents socially, as it will limit visits to 90 minutes and be subject to a charge. It will also make parking more difficult for tradesmen, including for those carrying out essential and/or emergency repairs.

One seriously unwelcome effect of the proposals will be to increase requests to turn front gardens into parking areas, an alteration which is one of the most detrimental to the appearance of any area.

I hope the proposal will not be adopted.

Peter

SGPostApril 20, 2021, 14:58
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Quote from Planning on April 19, 2021, 13:15

The proposals would essentially turn the B1 zone into an area similar that to the north in the S1 zone, where there is no uncontrolled parking during the controlled hours. All parking during those periods would require a permit or a payment ("pay-and-display"). This would discourage the long-term parking of vehicles by non-residents. Visitor permits would be available for residents and regular traders can apply for a Trades Permit.

Are you of the opinion that the wording in the brochure "We are now proposing parking controls in several areas" means the proposal is to change B1 zone from Priority Parking Zone to Controlled Parking zone (CPZ)?
You might be right, but B1 is already being controlled, so 'proposing parking controls' does not necessarily mean B1 should become CPZ (mentioned on the back page). The map of parking bays is about the same as now, so I do not see changes there. I would ask the Council to go back and re-write the brochure so that the changes are clearer defined before the discussion even starts.

Regarding the before mentioned parking pressure, the elephant in the room is that certain areas feel the parking pressure due to the current design of parking zones. Many streets in S1 zones are virtually empty as the residents have garages and driveways, yet most of the kerb space is designated as 'Residents only'. Meanwhile, the residents round the corner, in the more dense B1 zone, cannot use it. Allowing B1 residents to park in S1 zone would help with the parking pressure significantly. This issues has being brought up for many years, starting with day 1 of S1 zone introduction, but the Council is not acting upon it.

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Quote from pmscott6135 on April 20, 2021, 13:14

The proposals state “Parking will mainly consist of either permit holder parking or shared-use parking....”. What does “either” mean? Does it mean a mixture of both, or does it mean it will be one of the other?

Grange Loan, as an example of "either ...or", has residents-only parking on one side of the street, and mixed-use on the other.

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Quote from SG on April 20, 2021, 14:58

Are you of the opinion that the wording in the brochure "We are now proposing parking controls in several areas" means the proposal is to change B1 zone from Priority Parking Zone to Controlled Parking zone (CPZ)?

Yes. The detailed map shows that there is no stretch of road proposed within the B1 zone that would be uncontrolled. The map shows for each section of each street by different colours whether it is proposed to have:

  • yellow line(s) or a bus stop (yellow);
  • a permit-holder bay (i.e. residents only) (pink);
  • a shared-use bay (i.e. for permit holders or for pay-and-display) (brown);
  • pay-and-display bay (dark blue) e.g. by shops in Mayfield Road or Blackford Avenue; or
  • disabled day (light blue).

Zoom in on the detailed map (close the popup window that appears on top of the map at first, then zoom in to any street) and then you can click on any of the coloured lines and you will see a popup that tells you whether the bay is "proposed" or "existing".

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Quote from Planning on April 20, 2021, 16:19
Quote from SG on April 20, 2021, 14:58

Are you of the opinion that the wording in the brochure "We are now proposing parking controls in several areas" means the proposal is to change B1 zone from Priority Parking Zone to Controlled Parking zone (CPZ)?

Yes. The detailed map shows that there is no stretch of road proposed within the B1 zone that would be uncontrolled.

I agree that implies that the zone becomes CPZ-like, but the brochure does not say that the proposal is to change the entire B1 zone to CPZ, with all the key changes. Would you agree?
The brochure does not say that the proposal is to apply CPZ rules to B1, e.g. extend the control hours and make the permit more expensive.
The brochure does not clarify the downside for the residents if B1 becomes CPZ - that the permit holders would have to pay more, and that the car owners without a permit would have to buy one if they want to park where they park now.

Quote from Planning on April 20, 2021, 16:19

Zoom in on the detailed map (close the popup window that appears on top of the map at first, then zoom in to any street) and then you can click on any of the coloured lines and you will see a popup that tells you whether the bay is "proposed" or "existing".

Thank you. After many clicks on the same line, but in different places, I did find a stretch of the road with 'proposed'. The map does not show 'existing' vs. 'proposed', one line on this map can consist of both types. The map is akin to the advent calendar - one can only find which parking bays are new by clicking on on different parts of the red line.

Overall, I do not think that the proposal has been communicated well and in a balanced manner in the brochure or the map. In my opinion, this poor quality is not acceptable for a proper public review document and renders the public consultation invalid.

LesleyPostApril 20, 2021, 17:49
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There is a principle here ; the city needs to achieve significant emission reductions by 2030.
Permitting commuters endless free parking within the city boundaries flies in the face of that.
This is a great start - and should be extended to the city limits.

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I have problem with this proposal. How the problem of "non residential parking" is solved by charging a Yearly fee to the residents?

LesleyPostApril 20, 2021, 18:12
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Pierre - have a look at north grange ie. north of Grange Loan.
Everyone there has to pay for parking , which discourages almost all non
-resident commuters , including commercial vehicles.

The latter can pay to park if they need to.
(Builders , plumbers etc can buy special commercial permits if they often work in an area.)

I hope we won’t see any more references to cost or ‘entitlement’.
If you can afford to live in this area you can afford to pay a few hundred pounds a year to protect its amenity.
And help ‘ green’ the city.

anniemacPostApril 20, 2021, 19:42
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I strongly support the inclusion of S Lauder Rd and St Thomas Rd in the B1 controlled zone. This would significantly reduce commuter traffic in the area. Regarding hours of operation, my preference is for 10am till 1pm. - an extension of an hour and a half. It is useful to have the flexibility of workmen visiting at certain hours under the current system especially for short visits so keeping the afternoon as free parking would be good. This could be reviewed after a year to see whether opinion is then for the full day - 8.30 to 5.30. If so I'd support the idea mentioned above that residents in B1 could also park in S1 - in fact make it a larger CPZ. This would benefit those with mobility issues who need to visit GP etc in Marchmont and use a car to do so.

bogdanaPostApril 20, 2021, 19:51
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As a resident of Oswald Road where there is currently no controlled parking I support this proposal as large, often dirty, campervans park here for indefinite periods: one has been outside my flat for nearly a year. There seems to be some inconsistency in the allocation of 'part-time parking' and/or permit parking so it is difficult to establish where visitors to houses without drives can park freely. However the presence- often for months- of large vans in some of these unregulated streets is a nuisance so I'm in favour of stricter measures.

sjn1702PostApril 20, 2021, 20:30
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I disagree that these plans will be a good solution to parking shortages. The street we live on will have fewer spaces available under the proposed scheme/ the addition of yellow lines and it will bring increased costs.
The issue of commuter parking and abandoned vehicles could be solved by adding restricted hours to free parking spots, this does not require the extreme changes these plans propose. I would welcome seeing more effort put into providing better public transport to tackle emissions rather than costly schemes that are not well-thought through nor in the interest of residents. As a previous poster noted, it will be residents that pick up the cost of expensive permits, parking for their visitors, tradespeople, care staff, etc.

To comment on another post, I would add that the area north of Grange Loan does not represent the parking requirements for the streets covered in B1 as most of the properties there have open driveways and far fewer residents/cars.

LesleyPostApril 21, 2021, 09:19
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A quote from a resident of Chalmers Crescent , which is now in the CPZ zone ;
‘Our street has been transformationally changed with CPZ.
It used to be a dirty , crazy carpark with many issues over residents drives.
No more now.’

As I understand it , many of the GA committee members live in north Grange and already enjoy this protection.
So I hope you will all fight for the rest of us now , in the spirit of the original campaigning ethos of the Association which was simply to protect the amenity of this lovely area.

PierrePostApril 21, 2021, 09:32
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Lesley - I don't see the argument to charge the resident to implement the measure. I don't think that people must be able to afford this gives right to the Council to:
1. Charge the resident who are paying Council tax already
2. Forbid visitors to stay longer than 90 minutes
3. Lose parking availabilities as the "resident only" parking will only be a subset of the available parking

I find we do lose more than we gain. To address one problem, we use an old style strategy instead of thinking how we prevent people to commute, or to park there.

I'm happy to fight for the lovely area - but why not getting free resident parking? This would solve the same problem, the same way - but we get compensated on the impact of measure against us.

BrotherstonPostApril 21, 2021, 09:35
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This is a welcome proposal. Cars that park for days at a time close to the entrance to driveways cause a distinct hazard. Camper vans are the worst. However I do realise this problem does then get shifted to our neighbours further to the south.

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