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Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route
PlanningPostNovember 2, 2020, 16:13
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The Council is proposing to create a quiet route from the Meadows to Greenbank. This would introduce two barriers to motor traffic on Whitehouse Loan: one immediately south of Strathearn Road; the other immediately south of Bruntsfield Crescent. These 'modal filters' will enable safer cycling on Whitehouse Loan and reflect proposals which have been put forward by local community group ‘Blackford Safer Streets’.

The proposals:

  • open up a route to walking, wheeling and cycling by reducing motor traffic to “local access only” along the Whitehouse Loan, Canaan Lane and Braid Avenue corridor
  • through-motor-traffic (rat-running) is removed from most of the streets along the route by means of planters and bollards, forming strategic closures to through-motor-traffic
  • access to all properties by car is retained
  • the route forms an important connection between the new segregated cycle lanes on Comiston Rd and the offroad cycle network at the Meadows
  • the route forms an important route to and from the local schools in the area

In public meetings, including at the Marchmont Sciennes Community Council, Councillors have explained that the introduction now would be a temporary emergency measure to reflect the constraints imposed by the Coronavirus pandemic. That is why the normal period for public consultation needs to be shortened, otherwise the pandemic will be over before the changes can be made. Parents are currently prohibited from gathering outside schools and the traditional ‘drop off’ and ‘pick up’ cannot be facilitated. For James Gillespie’s school, there is a particular need for parents to be confident that their children can travel to and from the school unaccompanied in safety. If children cannot travel on foot or cycle all the way to and from home, then parents should be able to drop and collect their children somewhere along a safe route such that the children can complete the journey themselves or with other pupils.

The proposal does not involve the closure of any road. You would be able to drive your car to any site along any of the roads. The introduction of modal filters, as shown on this plan, is intended to stop through traffic and reduce the volume and speed of motor traffic to enhance safety for all road users and to persuade parents to let their children walk and cycle unaccompanied along this route. There are alternative through routes available for motor traffic.

Your views on this proposal would be welcome here, so that the Grange Association can gauge the views of members and other residents.
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MLewisPostNovember 4, 2020, 11:32
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Very Hot topicGreenbank to Meadows Quiet Route

Before I comment, I wonder if someone could explain what a "modal filter" is. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is unfamiliar with this term.

M.L.

PlanningPostNovember 4, 2020, 11:46
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A modal filter is something like this:
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It enables only certain modes of transport to pass through. Using planters like this is a common method which is relatively inexpensive, easily reversed and too heavy for unauthorised relocation.

MLewisPostNovember 6, 2020, 17:22
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So, in this context, a modal filter is a barrier that stops cars and vans but allows bikes and pedestrians? That makes sense. Thanks for the reply (and photo).

Next question: if I decide to make a comment on the proposals, should I post it here in the forum?

M.L.

PlanningPostNovember 7, 2020, 10:08
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Quote from MLewis on November 6, 2020, 17:22

Next question: if I decide to make a comment on the proposals, should I post it here in the forum?

Your views on this proposal would be welcome here, so that the Grange Association can gauge the views of members and other residents.

Some local politicians are also seeking input, such as Ian Murray's survey. (UPDATE Nov-2020: Daniel Johnson published the results of the survey here.)

But yes, posting your views here will help to indicate the balance of views in the community, so please do.

wandbamoyesPostNovember 9, 2020, 12:09
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Very Hot topicGreenbank to Meadows Quiet Route

I am sceptical that any measures such as these are temporary. Nor am I persuade that proper consultation with the public cannot happen in this case. If CEC really believes that the Covid-19 pandemic will soon be over, why spend the money on these measures ? If, as most of the rest of the world now seems to believe, the pandemic will be with us for very much longer, measures that may inconvenience a section of the public ought to be the subject of proper discussion.
One consequence of these measures will be to force more traffic on to Morningside Road and Bruntsfield Place. I think that is a great pity. I won’t be able to drive down Caanan Lane and through the Braids to reach the bypass. I will have to drive along Newbattle Terrace and down Morningside Road. Or, if I want to drive to Tollcross (and beyond), I will no longer be able to cross Strathearn Road and go down Whitehouse Loan and instead will have to drive to Holy Corner, via Pitsligo Road. Given the way Morningside Road and Bruntsfield Place have recently been constricted, traffic jams are highly likely.
It also seems to me likely that parents dropping off children at the modal filter near James Gillespie’s will want to turn their cars round – they will have to, since Whitehouse Loan will be blocked to through traffic. I don’t think that is very clever.
I don’t think this proposal is well thought through. Consultation might expose some of the weaknesses and perhaps also identify better ideas than these.

neilturnPostNovember 9, 2020, 16:24
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Welcome it. We really need our streets to be freer and safer for walkers, shoppers, cyclists, and this seems a great opportunity to test it out. A trial will give more definite answers than long consultation.
The discouragement from driving children to school, and other short journeys, will hopefully reduce traffic at key times, making the impact on essential journeys smaller?

LesleyPostNovember 9, 2020, 17:17
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I totally agree with wandbamoyes comments above. I don’t think any of these proposals have been well thought out.
Most of the roads mentioned are quiet anyway , but the effect of closing them will be to make car journeys to the west from central and east Grange very circuitous. I drive a disabled parent around so don’t have much choice.
And has anyone considered the level of carbon monoxide being pumped out by the endlessly queuing traffic on the few open routes eg. Morningside Road and Comiston Road?

CommuterCyclistPostNovember 10, 2020, 08:38
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As a confirmed commuter cyclist I would normally welcome any improvement in cycle routes. This suggestion seems to me ill thought out, as it will force more traffic on side roads like Greenhill Terrace and Greenhill Place.

A better solution would be to place segregated cycle lanes on Whitehouse Loan, which is wide enough to accommodate this development.

MLewisPostNovember 11, 2020, 08:50
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I am in favour of the proposed Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route (and of "quiet routes" in general). It will make travel in the area safer and will improve the environment, especially for pedestrians, cyclists and children on their way to school. The Grange Association should support it.

That said, I think the proposals for Whitehouse Loan are overkill. I use Whitehouse Loan nearly every day, either on foot or by bike. I have never found it particularly difficult or dangerous. It is a wide road with plenty of space. In fact, it is quite pleasant to cycle on. If there is really a danger for cyclists (and I don't believe that there is), a segregated bike lane would be a good solution.

By contrast, nearby Kilgraston Road is terrible for pedestrians and cyclists. The pavements are narrow, the traffic is fast, and it can sometimes take a long time to cross the street. I appreciate that Kilgraston Road is not part of the Greenbank to Meadows scheme, but if there are any future proposals for further improvements in the Grange, then Kilgraston Road should be a priority target.

One other (minor) point, given that Canaan Lane is part of the proposed quiet route, it really needs to be resurfaced if it is to continue to cater for cyclists.

In summary, I think the Grange Association should support the scheme, including the modal filters in Whitehouse Loan. But if the opposition to Whitehouse Loan is particularly strong among the membership, then the Association should still support the scheme, but with modifications in Whitehouse Loan. Any such opposition should not scupper the whole project.

M.L.

bogdanaPostNovember 12, 2020, 16:33
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Very Hot topicGreenbank to Meadows Quiet Route

It is difficult enough to drive West at the moment with the inexplicable lengthy closure of Braid Road and the interminable hold ups on Comiston Road such that travelling to Colinton etc is a major expedition. Whitehouse Loan is relatively traffic free and to move all the traffic onto Grange Road will lead to further congestion. Cycling is all very well but too many concessions are made for cyclists when elderly people or those who transport the disabled etc need a convenient route. 'Temporary' restrictions by the Council are rarely overturned.

ClintonPostNovember 15, 2020, 12:02
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Very Hot topicGreenbank to Meadows Quiet Route

I favour walking routes but am concerned by unintended consequences.
Blocking the north end of Whitehouse Loan would likely divert traffic on to Pitsligo and Clinton Roads, both narrow roads that are already rat-runs for people travelling east-west. I suggest adding traffic quieting measures on these side streets.

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