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PlanningPostAugust 6, 2018, 08:18
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A number of residents have raised concerns about the signage erected above the wall of Camilla House, fronting Grange Terrace. This was the subject of enforcement reports 18/00228/EADV and 18/00239/EADV (the latter with the address incorrect) in April 2018, which were closed with no further action.

An application has been submitted for Listed Building Consent, principally for internal alterations to this listed building. The application does include, however, for new illuminated signage which is not referenced in the title of the application "Minor internal works to improve facilities. Including the creation of en-suites, repurposing rooms and upgrading existing facilities. Alterations to existing landscaping and fencing".

We have lodged an objection to this application, seeking a Mixed Decision, approving the internal alterations as the planning department may otherwise see fit, but refusing the new illuminated signage. The application will be closed for comments from 10 August 2018.

PlanningPostOctober 10, 2018, 09:38
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The application for Listed Building Consent has been modified to remove the proposed new signage on the corner with Blackford Avenue. It would be reasonable to assume that this has arisen because the Council Planners have advised the applicants to remove the signage from the application, in the light of the comments received from residents. The status of the application has changed to "Awaiting Decision" which normally implies that the assessment is complete and a decision is imminent.

PlanningPostOctober 11, 2018, 16:25
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The application was granted on 11 October 2018, after the applicants amended it to remove the proposed new signage. The handling report prepared by the Council's planning department noted:

"There have been 12 letters of objection received with respect to this application, from neighbours, members of the public, the Grange Association and the Grange/Prestonfield Community Council. All object to the proposed signage in Scheme 1 that has now been deleted. In addition the Grange Association objects to the removal of some soft landscaping.

"The signage has been deleted from the application and the landscaping is not within the remit of this application."

PlanningPostAugust 22, 2019, 08:56
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A notification has been submitted to fell the six mature sycamore trees on the boundary of Camilla House with Blackford Avenue. The documents showing the proposals can be viewed on the Council’s planning portal with reference 19/03962/TCO.

We do not normally alert residents to these applications for tree work, as there is no opportunity to submit comments to the Council. However, on occasions, the Grange Association does make representations to the Council’s arboricultural officers to challenge an exceptional application. We consider this proposal to be exceptional as it would damage the streetscape in Blackford Avenue, removing all the trees and exposing the unattractive rendered wall of the modern extension to Camilla House. This streetview shows the current view which would be lost.

Details of all applications for tree work in the Grange area are available from our pages here.

PlanningPostAugust 23, 2019, 15:03
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The Grange Association's tree specialist has written to the Council as follows:

Dear Graham,

19/03962/TCO | Group of sycamore trees - removal. | Camilla House 19 Grange Terrace Edinburgh EH9 2LF

The Grange Association has asked me to raise its concerns about this proposal.

First, these are Norway maples, not sycamores. They are c.35ft high and probably 35 - 40 years old. They are, nevertheless, a significant feature of the streetscape of Blackford Avenue, which has few mature trees and, apart from these, almost none in its middle and lower (S) reaches. Their particular virtue is that they act as a screen against the unattractive pebble-dashed Blackford Avenue frontage of Camilla House.

They have had branches removed in the past, but none recently, so they are in reasonably good shape.

With reference to the reasons for felling these trees cited in the agent’s supporting letter:

  • Many of the concerns could be addressed by cutting back the branches facing the building and removing some of the lower branches.
  • While the trees at present shut out much of the light from the windows behind, it should be borne in mind that they will have a beneficial effect in dampening the noise of the traffic and acting as a barrier to dust and pollution from the road.
  • It seems not unreasonable to expect the applicant to carry out the low level of maintenance involved in keeping the gutters and paths clear of leaves. Fallen leaves do not become slippery unless they are allowed to accumulate and begin to decay.
  • Trees of this age are very unlikely to blow down; these are not unsafe and are no more likely to blow down than any others.

Finally, but only as a last resort, there are other options that should be considered - for instance pollarding, or removing two or three of the trees rather than all six.

I appreciate that in order to address these concerns the council will need to make a TPO. We believe this would be justified.

I hope these comments help.

Regards,

P.P.
Peter Pitkin, on behalf of the Grange Association.

PlanningPostAugust 29, 2019, 08:13
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The Council's Arboricultural Officer has written to Ian Murray, the local constituency MP, explaining the process for notification of treework in a conservation area (TCO) and contrasting that with the applications for work on trees to which Tree Preservation Orders (TPOs) apply. The Council’s website provides a helpful interactive map showing details of TPOs and the Conservation Areas in the City of Edinburgh. The green shapes are Conservation Areas; the grey shapes show the extent of each TPO, which may cover a single tree or an area of trees. Clicking on the shape will show the details and the TPO number. The Council's e-mail to Ian Murray MP is reproduced below:

Dear Mr Murray,

Thank you for your email dated 26 August 2019. The TCO legal framework and process is set nationally. It’s a notification, not an application system. The Council does not/cannot approve or refuse TCO proposals – we (decisions are delegated to officers) simply have up to 42 days to make a binary decision whether to put a Tree Preservation Order (TPO) on a threatened tree or trees, or not. That’s all we can do - we can’t even require replacement planting to compensate for trees that can justifiably be removed.

The key point is there is no neighbour notification, no public consultation period and no mechanism for third parties submitting objections or representations. So, if we carry out our site visit and assessment before the end of the 42 day notification period, we can and usually do proceed to determine the case ‘early’.

The TPO process also differs materially from TCOs – owners have to apply to do works to TPO’d trees and we can approve or refuse those applications. We can also require replacement planting if it is reasonable to allow a tree to be felled. But, as with TCOs, there is no provision for neighbour notification, public consultation or third party objections for TPO applications either.

Thank you for contacting me on this matter. Should you have any further questions please do not hesitate in calling me immediately.

Kind regards

Graham Hinshelwood

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